Confessions of a Quackbuster

This blog deals with healthcare consumer protection, and is therefore about quackery, healthfraud, chiropractic, and other forms of so-Called "Alternative" Medicine (sCAM).

Monday, August 23, 2004

Eva Cassidy: articles, music clips, reviews, etc.

Table of Contents
Discography, with songs, music clips, and articles
Theater and Film Productions
Eva Links

This blog has been moved to its own blogspot site:

Eva Cassidy: Legendary Singer

Wednesday, August 18, 2004


To give you an idea of what Chirotalk is all about, here's the current index page. Each heading has multiple threads which aren't shown here:

Overview of Chirotalk
Purpose, Instructions and Resources Read before posting
Welcome To Chirotalk: Support and Notices The place to ask support questions, read notices and discuss non-chiropractic topics
Announcements From Members and Guests Members can post announcements here
Reserved Discussion Board A private place where people can talk in confidence. Ask staff for password.

Anti-Quackery Activism
Chiropractic State Protest Board Join up with leaders in your state to lobby against chiropractic interests
Chiropractic Litigation and Legislation A place to coordinate letter writing campaigns, online petitions and proposed lawsuits
Chiropractic News Digest Submit an abstract and comment on chiropractic news

General Topics
Chiropractic Beliefs A place to examine the foundation of chiropractic
Questionable Chiropractic Practices Discussions about the methods used by chiropractors
Hall of Chiropractic Excuses Chiropractors have an excuse for every problem
Evidence Based Physical Medicine and Therapy Discussions about non-subluxation based care
Politics: Leaders, Associations and Management Groups A place to explore the character of prominent individuals and groups in chiropractic
Legislative Issues: Licensing and Accreditation A place for discussions about legislative and regulatory issues
The Future of Chiropractic: Should Anyone Become a DC? Discussions about the future (or lack of one) of the field
Hall of Shame Banned posters, insurance scammers and other shady characters
Chit Chat A place for non-chiropractic discussions

Chiropractic Programs
All Chiropractic Programs Specific information about chiropractic programs that do not have individual categories
Life University Discussions about Life U
Sherman College of Straight Chiropractic

Resources for Former Chiropractors
Scholarship Idea For DCs To Change Fields
Changing Careers A place where former DCs can exchange information about career changing
Student Loans Valuable tips on the recovery and management of student loans

Questions. Advice and Reports About Chiropractic
Chiropractic Patient Questions and Experiences A place for patients to ask questions or discuss troubling experiences
Students Considering or Attending DC Programs A place for students to ask questions and share experiences.
Chiropractors Discuss Their Experiences A place for chiropractors to discuss their own experiences.
Chiropractic Assistant Forum Chiropractic Assistants are skeptical too

Cheers from non-chiropractors
Cheers from chiropractors

Jeers from non-chiropractors
Jeers from chiropractors

This blog is an affiliate site of Confessions of a Quackbuster & The Quack-Files

Thursday, August 12, 2004

Getting the big picture

I think I'm getting the big (more three dimensional) picture!

1. Chiros masquerade as "doctors" who fix spines... sounds vaguely medical, but the only ones fooled are the legislators who expect them to behave like professionals (which they don't, by a) trying to raise their 'PVA' instead of trying to lower it, b) developing vast numbers of obediant and dependent 'practice members', and c) only "analyzing", not diagnosing) ....and most of the patients probably...

2. in effect they are the current crop of medieval barbers! except they no longer cut hair, (even the hairdressers/barbers have gone off to become true professionals..) but they still sell their services as if getting the spine popped every few weeks was like getting regular hair cut/shaves.

3. And they get away with it, because to their "practice members", it feels 'good', like regular facials/hairdressings feel good to bored/stressed/rich women..! Social grooming diguised as "treatment".

4. So the chiropractors are able to maintain a large herd of domesticated 'crack' buyers/addicts.

5. If anything goes wrong, like stroke or increased pain, denydenydeny.. own your own insurance companies so that the denial can be even more deeply entrenched..

6. If anyone comes sniffing around legislatively, the act says that if the profession backs the silly claims, no problem. And it always will because the whole so-called "profession" is a 'silly claim.'

How'm I doing? Who wants to pick this idea apart?
Xena, WarriorPT

Prometheus replies:

Pick it apart? I'll defend it to the extreme, even missing a tee-time if I have to!

Monday, August 09, 2004

Chiropractic Assistant's Corner

The following is an example of the kind of thing CAs are expected to do:

Chiropractic Assistant's Corner

You can be very helpful in this endeavor. Can you determine, along with the doctor, which patients/parents would be best approached for testimonials? Can you make a list of all patients who have not yet referred their children? Can you disseminate this fact sheet? What have been your children's experience with their care? Testify!

One CA recently wrote to me:


Well, this is what many chiros require their CAs to do all the time. In fact, the CA is usually the first one to meet the patient, and is trained to start the process of "patient education" (brainwashing) right away. The whole idea is to get that patient sold on chiropractic as a way of life, not only for them, but for their whole family. Not just for whenever they have pain, but regularly, even when they are totally asymptomatic. Not just once in awhile, but on a regular basis for the rest of their life.

Here's one of the clearest comments on this matter from one of the biggest practice builders:

“My position is that the 81% of society into wellness today are ALL prospective subluxation-based, vitalistic/innate intelligence chiropractic wellness patients. With their entire families, children and parents -- for a lifetime, of course. Renaissance Seminars has been teaching and maturing this very same message for 21 years." - Joseph Flesia, DC (recently deceased)

Fortunately there are rare chiropractors who speak out against these unethical practices, instead of participating in them:

“I understand there are many who feel that a "real" chiropractor would not practice this [ethical - PL] way. Fine. If being a real DC means wellness care, asymptomatic care, excessive x-rays, poor working relationships with MDs, rejection of scientific data, bizarre techniques, outrageous claims, and the same treatment each visit regardless of the problem, then I don't want to be a "real" DC.” - Dr. G. Douglas Andersen, DC

For more about Chiropractic Assistants:

Chiropractic Assistants as Whistleblowers: An Invitation to Activism
Chiropractic Assistant (CA): Resources and Links

Wednesday, August 04, 2004

Advice to a future DC

Mark aka "futureDC" wrote:

There are "off the wall" practioners in every profession. . . .
Just as there are bad DC's who give chiropractic a bad name,
there are also good DC's who give chiropractic a good name.

My reply:

It depends on where the wall is, what kind of foundation it has, and how it's defined. If it's built on an illusion, then you've got a problem.

In other professions, such practitioners are indeed "off the wall", and are the exception.

In chiropractic, 95% of chiropractors give the rest a bad name.

I am NOT saying that 95% are dishonest, quacks, or bad people that don't help anyone. Not at all. Although some chiropractors have tried to convince me that I'm wrong, I still like to give the benefit of the doubt. I still think most chiros are sincere and are trying to give good treatment.

Unfortunately their education is so defective, the profession's foundation is so illusory, and the history of the profession is so loaded, that no matter how sincere and skilled they are, they will still be considered a liability in the healthcare system.

Good intentions aren't enough.

The continued use of the term "adjustment" implies the existence of (non-existent) chiropractic subluxations. The continued use of the title DC or "chiropractor" implies the manipulation of the spine to “correct a subluxation". While they’ve taken a huge leap in the right direction, NACM-minded DCs still need to abandon the old "ship" completely and find another name for their new "ship", one which is not tainted by a long history of quackery.

The title of chiropractor is like a ball-and-chain. It will forever leave a slime trail after it.

Mark aka "futureDC" wrote:

Though the 5-10% figure you guys say are ethically
practicing DCs is comparable to a pebble, it only takes
a pebble to cause a ripple in the waters.

My reply:

Water may ripple, but quicksand doesn't.......

Not only will you not make a difference in the profession, you will get persecuted. Plenty of others have tried and paid the price. It's not worth it.

Why use your life fighting an uphill battle with no hope of success? The moment you stop to get a breath, you will start sliding on that slime, back down the hill, and you will continually curse the day that DD and BJ were born. You may be able to achieve respectability among your clients, but you'll still have that slime trailing after you.

It's just not fair! But that's life in chiroland. You've got to be a masochist of dimensions to deliberately choose it *after* being warned.

Believe me, that slime is like a shadow, and bears no resemblance to how you see yourself in the mirror. Although you have not created it, you will only have yourself to thank for deliberately choosing a profess.....oops!....I mean "business", with so many unsolvable problems.

T. M. DC wrote:

To Mark:

I am not that altruistic to think that I will change the
profession. The question shouldn't even be if I want to
spend the rest of my professional career associated
w/ DC's or the guy that I shadowed. There are "off
the wall" practioners in every profession.

The problem with chiropractic is that it is not that there are a few bad apples in it but the fact that it is quite obvious that it is the safe haven for so many. A license to practice chiropractic is essentially a license to "make it up as you go." You will find that chiropractic has more than it's legal limit of "off the wall" practitioners.

The question should be if I want to practice like the guy
I shadowed and the answer would be "NO freakin' way".
Just as there are bad DC's who give chiropractic a bad
name, there are also good DC's who give chiropractic a
good name.

The ones that give chiropractic a good name are constantly having to battle the constant irritation of those who are "off the wall." Thus their "good work" is seriously negated by the imbeciles that harbor in the profession. This isn't about a few rogue chiropractors. These rogues have built entire organizations on their premises.

Show me the proof that Chiropractic has been disproven.
From what I understand "subluxation" theory has never
been proven nor disproven. Research has yet to be done
and I plan to go into research once I graduate.

So, you are content to go into a profession that has, as it base premise, an unproven entity? I was a fool thinking that "oh yeah, I will practice within good scientific and clinical principles" only to find out that it wasn't what I did, but it was what others did that seriously called into question my credibility.

For example, if I would meet a person and tell them who I was and what I did they would ask me questions "how come DC's make you keep coming back and back?" or "hey, I went to this one DC and he said that I had such a bad curve in my neck that I could die from it. Is this true?"
Both of these accounts are true. You see, you will be in battle with what other DC's have done, are doing, and will continue to do.

As per the subluxation. How credible is something when I can make up what a subluxation is to fit any occassion, can use any method to isolate it, and use multiple forms of treatment to correct it? Hell, I can even claim to adjust one without having to really touch the person. I can also claim to adjust ONE segment and claim that it will correct the others.

No, I want to be associated with a profession that teaches
me how to be a good NMS practitioner using manipulation
and other adjunctive therapies..

That's called being a physical therapist. Go to any college (non-chiropractic) and see if a DC degree can be used as advanced standing for being an ATC or anything. In fact, try to go out and find a job outside of chiropractic in the health care community with your DC.

Being a personal trainer, I see many clients with aches
and pains. Treating my clients/patients and combining
their treatments w/ exercise would be a bonus for them.

Are these people hiring you to treat their "aches and pains" or get them back in shape? You would spend three years and $100K to do what you could do with being an ATC? Hell, clinics are hiring ATC's. How come they ain't hiring no DC's?

I've seen this figure thrown out by Allen a few times on
chiroweb and rehabedge. How did the both of you come
out with a figure like this? Did you 2 personally go out
and meet every single DC out there, observe their
practice, and asked them how they practiced? I'm not
tryin to be a d*%k, I'm just wondering how you can come
to the conclusion that only 5-10% of DC's practice ethically
when there are approximately 67,000 DCs practicing in
the US. Also, out of this 67,000 only 20-25% (or less)
belong to some type of association. Though the 5-10%
figure you guys say are ethically practicing DCs is
comparable to a pebble, it only takes a pebble to cause a
ripple in the waters.

The 5-10%, in my opinion, is just a guesstimate. I tend to think it is higher than that but we really have no way of finding out unless one is willing to extropolate the data from multiple survey findings and examine the questions asked of the sample.

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